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		<title>By: Acheter un scooter electrique à Shanghai ▷ Chine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acheter un scooter electrique à Shanghai ▷ Chine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 04:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: législation scooter/velo electrique ▷ Chine</title>
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		<dc:creator>législation scooter/velo electrique ▷ Chine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Sheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Sheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 10:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helmets are mandatory, although enforcement is sparse.

While you see thousands of family&#039;s riding on moped&#039;s, foreigners doing the same will be a different matter. For your own safety, don&#039;t put a child on a moped or motorbike until they&#039;re ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helmets are mandatory, although enforcement is sparse.</p>
<p>While you see thousands of family&#8217;s riding on moped&#8217;s, foreigners doing the same will be a different matter. For your own safety, don&#8217;t put a child on a moped or motorbike until they&#8217;re ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Vasikar Nagarajan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vasikar Nagarajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence,

Thanks a lot for your detailed information. 

Please advise, if kids (of age, 5 years) can be taken along with us? I understand you mentioned, only one passenger is allowed. But I can not go for a nearby shopping mall, without my kid.

Second question will be, do we need helmet while driving?

Regards, Vasikar Nagarajan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence,</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for your detailed information. </p>
<p>Please advise, if kids (of age, 5 years) can be taken along with us? I understand you mentioned, only one passenger is allowed. But I can not go for a nearby shopping mall, without my kid.</p>
<p>Second question will be, do we need helmet while driving?</p>
<p>Regards, Vasikar Nagarajan</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Sheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Sheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just buy one.  They&#039;re pseudo illegal - you can get a waidi (outside Shanghai) plate, although technically only allowed to ride with that outside the outer ringroad, or on the inner ringroad on weekends.
In practice they don&#039;t bother you unless you do something silly.

Keep an eye or an ear out though for when they do inspections or checks - that happens once a year usually, so its best not to risk it during those times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just buy one.  They&#8217;re pseudo illegal &#8211; you can get a waidi (outside Shanghai) plate, although technically only allowed to ride with that outside the outer ringroad, or on the inner ringroad on weekends.<br />
In practice they don&#8217;t bother you unless you do something silly.</p>
<p>Keep an eye or an ear out though for when they do inspections or checks &#8211; that happens once a year usually, so its best not to risk it during those times.</p>
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		<title>By: charbonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>charbonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 06:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting and a bit confusing.
We can see hundreds of Vespa style scooter in Shanghai... I understand that there are all illegal.
I was about to buy one... What shall I do.. hum.
Thanks anyway to let us know the dark side of the scooter&#039;s saler...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting and a bit confusing.<br />
We can see hundreds of Vespa style scooter in Shanghai&#8230; I understand that there are all illegal.<br />
I was about to buy one&#8230; What shall I do.. hum.<br />
Thanks anyway to let us know the dark side of the scooter&#8217;s saler&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lundqvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Lundqvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see.

Thanks for taking time to answer.

BRs,
Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking time to answer.</p>
<p>BRs,<br />
Daniel</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Sheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Sheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moped  / Scooter / Bike = Same thing, different name

Supermarkets generally sell legal ones.
As I wrote anything legal is listed on the Shanghai Bicycle website.  Generally speaking anything crap looking is legal!

Scooteretta is illegal.  Cannot be licenced in Shanghai;  Can be licenced in Jiangsu etc.

Electric vehicles don&#039;t require a drivers licence still, but laws will soon be in place for that - they&#039;re in the works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moped  / Scooter / Bike = Same thing, different name</p>
<p>Supermarkets generally sell legal ones.<br />
As I wrote anything legal is listed on the Shanghai Bicycle website.  Generally speaking anything crap looking is legal!</p>
<p>Scooteretta is illegal.  Cannot be licenced in Shanghai;  Can be licenced in Jiangsu etc.</p>
<p>Electric vehicles don&#8217;t require a drivers licence still, but laws will soon be in place for that &#8211; they&#8217;re in the works.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lundqvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Lundqvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lawrence,

Thanks for the write up.

I am still a bit confused about what the rules are for electric mopeds/scooters. It might be a reading comprehension problem on my side as well.

In the intro you mention mopeds and scooters but further down you mostly talk about requirements for bikes. Are scooters like the ones you find in supermarkets classified here as scooters or bikes? They most likely weigh above 40kg so are they illegal? Can they legally be driven in downtown Shanghai?

And i.e. is http://www.scooteretta.com/v1.html something that is  legal and can be properly licensed?

If they are not classified in the same way as the bikes, do you have any information on where to find what is legal regarding electric mopeds/scooters?

Also, AFAIK no electric vehicles requires a drivers license at the moment?

Hope you can spend a minute or two to answer my questions.

Thanks in advance,
Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lawrence,</p>
<p>Thanks for the write up.</p>
<p>I am still a bit confused about what the rules are for electric mopeds/scooters. It might be a reading comprehension problem on my side as well.</p>
<p>In the intro you mention mopeds and scooters but further down you mostly talk about requirements for bikes. Are scooters like the ones you find in supermarkets classified here as scooters or bikes? They most likely weigh above 40kg so are they illegal? Can they legally be driven in downtown Shanghai?</p>
<p>And i.e. is <a href="http://www.scooteretta.com/v1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scooteretta.com/v1.html</a> something that is  legal and can be properly licensed?</p>
<p>If they are not classified in the same way as the bikes, do you have any information on where to find what is legal regarding electric mopeds/scooters?</p>
<p>Also, AFAIK no electric vehicles requires a drivers license at the moment?</p>
<p>Hope you can spend a minute or two to answer my questions.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance,<br />
Daniel</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Sheed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Sheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Yes, but Petrol bikes are mostly illegal, unless you have an old one (and thats only outside the outer ringroad), or you have a plate thats a legal motorbike yellow plate / car plate convertable (worth 30,000rmb+-)

2) LPG - has to be in the list of legal bikes.  Same for electric. Petrol new bikes no licences, with the exception of expensive new ones in the 300,000rmb or more range (special licence).

3) Who knows.  Will differ on the situation, the cop, etc.

4) LPG&#039;s are being phased out by 2012.

5) ?

6) Ducati or similar Honda, Harley from a dealer assuming its a new expensive one.

7) Driving drunk.  Driving illegally during a crackdown, driving without a licence, being unlucky driving illegally and have a nasty cop...  no hard fast rules (except the drink driving one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Yes, but Petrol bikes are mostly illegal, unless you have an old one (and thats only outside the outer ringroad), or you have a plate thats a legal motorbike yellow plate / car plate convertable (worth 30,000rmb+-)</p>
<p>2) LPG &#8211; has to be in the list of legal bikes.  Same for electric. Petrol new bikes no licences, with the exception of expensive new ones in the 300,000rmb or more range (special licence).</p>
<p>3) Who knows.  Will differ on the situation, the cop, etc.</p>
<p>4) LPG&#8217;s are being phased out by 2012.</p>
<p>5) ?</p>
<p>6) Ducati or similar Honda, Harley from a dealer assuming its a new expensive one.</p>
<p>7) Driving drunk.  Driving illegally during a crackdown, driving without a licence, being unlucky driving illegally and have a nasty cop&#8230;  no hard fast rules (except the drink driving one).</p>
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